Adrienne wrote:

hibou wrote:

sailorgirl wrote:This article has wonderful photos of classic yachts, well worth a glance, if you enjoy boats.

Monaco Classic Week 2007: La Belle Classe

Thanks Sailor beautiful pictures. Here is a question, when I was growing up a yacht had to be a certain size (this was before Onassis changed the meaning and even then his wasn't considered a yacht by many) do you know what size that was and now what determines a yacht. As far as I can tell a converted ocean liner could be a yacht today.

Sorry sailor I disagree with wikipedia. What you call something depends not on the vessel, but *WHO* is doing the speaking and to whom.

If you own a private seagoing vessel:
is a *boat*- regardless of size...

As in"I'm taking my boat over to the Vineyard for the weekend would you like to come?" People who have "yachts" never ever refer to them as "yachts" to do so is considered crass in the sailing world.

If you are a guest on a private seagoing vessel, regardless of size, it is a yacht.
"My how beautifully yaw your yacht is" the guest says looking at the 19 foot catboat.
Or WOW what a lovely yacht, the guest says looking at the 100+ foot schooner...
"Yes we love our boat" replies the owner.
Or in the mid-size category when someone calls it a yacht you scoff and say- this nah, it's just a boat not like (insert huge and famous ship here) now THAT's a yacht.

You can call a maritime or naval vessel a "boat" but you risk starting a bar fight in some Navys, it's always safer to refer to a naval vessel as a "ship"

Actually Adrienne what you describe is what I grew up hearing., but it seems to me that things have changed which is why I am confused.

Hibou I was raised in a Navy, boating, sailing family and I too think things have changed that is why I posted wikipedia's explaination. At least when I'm with my cousins they are always correcting trying to re-educate me and bring me up to "current times" they say.

sailorgirl wrote:Hibou I was raised in a Navy, boating, sailing family and I too think things have changed that is why I posted wikipedia's explaination. At least when I'm with my cousins they are always correcting trying to re-educate me and bring me up to "current times" they say.

Thanks Sailor. You're making me feel better I thought I was now completely out to lunch on this but if you are getting corrected then times have changed!!

sailorgirl wrote:Hibou I was raised in a Navy, boating, sailing family and I too think things have changed that is why I posted wikipedia's explaination. At least when I'm with my cousins they are always correcting trying to re-educate me and bring me up to "current times" they say.

Don't give in!!!! You're right, they're wrong... Just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean it's right...

Part of what is going on is that a yacht had to be something that there was some serious monetary investment in (e.g. money hole in the water) and was fast and was used for racing or extensive cruising, e.g. to Bermuda from New England for example, as opposed to harbor jumping in New England with a day sailor.

So what size the speaker considered a "yacht" was a distinguishing factor in your means...... which is why virtually noone who owned a boat would call it a yacht besides it sounding self-important/promoting you were signaling your mental limit on what you considered "expensive" (and also in certain circles that's tantamount to discussing salary for example)

Adrienne wrote:

sailorgirl wrote:Hibou I was raised in a Navy, boating, sailing family and I too think things have changed that is why I posted wikipedia's explaination. At least when I'm with my cousins they are always correcting trying to re-educate me and bring me up to "current times" they say.

Don't give in!!!! You're right, they're wrong... Just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean it's right...

Part of what is going on is that a yacht had to be something that there was some serious monetary investment in (e.g. money hole in the water) and was fast and was used for racing or extensive cruising, e.g. to Bermuda from New England for example, as opposed to harbor jumping in New England with a day sailor.

So what size the speaker considered a "yacht" was a distinguishing factor in your means...... which is why virtually noone who owned a boat would call it a yacht besides it sounding self-important/promoting you were signaling your mental limit on what you considered "expensive" (and also in certain circles that's tantamount to discussing salary for example)

Exactly the way I learned it growing up!! Actually this reminds me of the Mercedes which used to be a "the car" now they have shrunk it and made it more "affordable" so that more people can say they own one.

Hello all,

Did some of you go to the Yacht Show?

I finally ended up attending both events, Classic Week and Yacht Show.

The Classic Week, especially the "concours d'élégance" for the sailboats last Saturday. I ended up with 118 beautiful photos (a lot of work). I have put them all on a cd-rom which I will give to the Monaco Yacht Club for their archives.

I also ended up (quite unexpectedly) with a pass to attend the yearly boat show down at the harbour. I collected goodies in the different stands. I will be going around Monaco with the paper bags which will look far more original than any Chanel or Vuitton paper bags!

I have seen some huge enormous big fat motor yachts, most are registered in the Cayman Islands (tax write-off) all worth a fortune, all much too big and too showy for my own taste but there's got to be something for everyone I guess...

Surprisingly when I had the catalogue in my hands, I noticed that the Phocea was listed for sale, list price 24 400 000 US Dollars. (I wonder if they offered a discount) I think it was sold as it left early on Friday late afternoon. I guess it must be time for Ms Ayoub to move on to something different. Some other listed sailing or/and motor yachts had prices way beyond that.

For my own taste, I would have chosen a much smaller boat, something between a sailing and fishing boat, small, maybe of my own design or idea, just something I could sail on my own or with a couple of friends from Monaco to Corsica and back or to use for a fishing outing or a pleasure ride. I would name and baptize her Concorde 2 (like Concorde and the QE2 my all time favourite ocean liner).

118 pictures + all the ones I took yesterday + the ones from my place are far too many to post here. Maybe I will do a slide show on the internet but it takes so-o-o-o much time........

thank you for the nice update madame concorde.

creative!

creativemind wrote:thank you for the nice update madame concorde.

creative!

Yes Thank you!! I would love to see just a few of your photos!! Sounds like you had fun!!!

I will try to post a few of my pictures in the next couple of days.

it would be great to see the photos if you have a chance.

MadameConcorde wrote:I will try to post a few of my pictures in the next couple of days.

Yes, Yes, Yes, thanks.
Did you bought Phocea?? It's perhaps B Tapie who bought it again !

Yes please MadCon post your photos. I'd love to see them.

What do you all think do we have a new "Sherlock" ?

This sounds like "mad house" somehow...

No, please... no abreviation for my treasured Icon... Concorde!
Never!

I will be in and out today. Will see what I can do about posting some pictures later.

sailorgirl wrote:Yes please MadCon post your photos. I'd love to see them.

ok

Monaco info has a blab about show... and environnement. L Benetton's yacht seems to be OK with environnement, they say that most of them aren't OK. Environnement is everywhere in Monaco now, it's Albert's great job. Yacht Show Only one yacht seems to be OK!!!

An eyewitness report from the show: The Prince and the strippers.

thanks ginny.

Nothing on the yacht show this year? With the Arabs?

Fireflamed wrote:Nothing on the yacht show this year? With the Arabs?

The huge yacht show in Cannes the same week at the all renovated Port Canto got them all. Looks like Monaco was a flop.

fighter planes over Monaco...again...Can't we get rid of this next year? it's noisy and environmentally very unfriendly...paying a fee for CO2 isn't going to change anything. Not polluting in the first place is the trick to save the planet....